NEWSLETTERS
 

CIO.com updates, insights and advice on technology, management and your career.

 CIO BlackBerry News and Tips
 CIO Research and Analysis
 CIO Microsoft
 CIO Insider
 
 
 
SUBSCRIBE TO CIO
 
Are you involved in setting the direction for your company's IT budget or strategy?

Apply today for a FREE subscription to CIO Magazine!

 


Mon, May 5, 2008 15:51 EDT

It's Your Bug. But It's Not Your Job Anymore.

Topic: Development

Blog: Developer Wisdom

Current Rating: 5 Comments: 11

If a previous employer called to ask you about a bug in the code you'd written for them, how much time and energy would you be comfortable investing in helping out?

Let's say you left your previous employer a few months ago, on reasonably good terms. You might hold a minor grudge against the company because you didn't get the raise you deserved or because they wouldn't give you the QA resources you'd asked for, but it was generally an amicable parting. Certainly, you still care about your old teammates; you'd be happy to share a beer with them. Especially if they're buying.

A few months later, one of those teammates calls you with a problem. They're trying to debug a problem in a code module you used to own, and which you knew really well. Can you help?

Well, can you? Will you? Should you? Just how far will you go out of your way for the old team... and the old boss?

I think most developers would give an old employer 15 minutes of phone time without a second thought. Maybe 30 minutes, if it's still in a casual format such as instant messaging and if the conversation is kept general ("Did you look at the gargleblaster?" rather than "Let me pull up that JavaScript code...").

And certainly—at the other boundry condition—few developers would spend a whole weekend fixing the old application for free.

But somewhere in there, you draw a line. Two hours? Four? I don't know where it is for most programmers, or where it ought to be... and I wonder what the "right answer" is.

I expect that company lawyers would freak out if they thought existing employees were asking for your help. After all, your previous code was written as a "work for hire" so the company owns the copyright. If you change a semicolon in their code now, though, that wouldn't be so. (The fact that lawyers would object, of course, makes this effort even more attractive.)

Professional pride is a factor. If the bug is visible in some way (such as on a public website you developed), I think a lot of programmers would itch to fix it. For portfolio reasons, if not a sense of perfectionism.

Also, there's such a thing as good karma. Refusing to help a previous teammate (never mind the company affliation) might be seen as burning bridges socially, if not professionally. Which makes it all the more important to figure out where the line ought to be crossed; at what point do you cease to be a kind person, and become a gullible chump who's covering up for your successor's inadequacies?

Plus, some segments of the development community are connected more by shared technology than they are by the name on their paychecks. Many years ago, I knew several developers who worked on the software to run hotel reservations systems. A developer at Quality Inns had no qualms about calling an ex-colleague at Ramada Inns or Best Western for help (which incidentally, is the same software that United is finally replacing). In modern terms, developers who work on open source applications (particularly when their employers paid their salary while they wrote the open source code) will be bound by the project's goals, even if their attention has moved on to, say, another part of the project.

So: just how much effort would you put into helping a previous employer? Where do you draw your line? For fun, post your reply before you

You do not have flash or javascript support.
Average (2 votes)
5
 
 
Mon, May 5, 2008 16:09 EDT
Anonymous user
Posted by: Ben Poole
Rating:

Well, I left a long-term employer 7 months ago on good terms. And I have been asked to help out with a few bits and pieces. I did this happily, but only because I knew it would take me 5 - 10 minutes to answer the questions asked. Anything longer than that, and frankly I would be looking for billable time. I don't see why ex-developers should feel an obligation to helping out past employers, although clearly there are different circumstances where help may well be appropriate, as shown in your examples.

In my experience, the period of notice is spent tying up loose ends, completing documentation, etc., etc. So there should be no reason for old employers to come knocking if that's happened!

 
Tue, May 6, 2008 12:50 EDT
Posted by: Esther Schindler
Rating: 70

...or, rather, another opportunity.

I did write a paragraph about the mitigating factors when the developer left to become an independent consultant, but I yanked it because I feared I was becoming too tedious. Perhaps I should have left it in, because the questions from a previous employer that exceed that "quick phone call" should sound like "ka-CHING!" to a consultant.

I agree that the period of notice is supposed to tie up all the loose ends. But I wouldn't swear that it does. Even if the employer intends to use that time to download the contents of the departing employee's brain... all too often I've seen people with ten days to go documenting what they think is important rather than what the employer might really want to know. That's when they're not treading water, just waiting for those last two weeks to be up.

 
Tue, May 6, 2008 6:33 EDT
Anonymous user
Posted by: JacquesDP
Rating:

I would give +-15 minutes remotely (over the phone, Skype, etc.). I wouldn't write any code myself, but wouldn't mind looking at it, and suggesting ways to fix it.

I believe this is something an employer should always keep in mind, and that it is very important to put continuity efforts in place. If an employer does not apply these measures, it is not my problem, and the sooner they realize this the better. If a development organization properly applied things like unit tests, thorough comments, light documentation covering the essential, exposing developers to multiple models over time, etc., there should be no reason that a request for help should be longer than a quick phone call.

Doing maintenance work over weekends for previous employers would be billable. This is to say you are allowed to bill, since many employers don't allow you to do work for anyone else while you are working for them. My current contract stipulates such a condition.

 
Tue, May 6, 2008 12:38 EDT
Anonymous user
Posted by: Signal9
Rating: 50

None. You shouldn't help at all. I know this sounds harsh, but you are risking a lot. You can get sued, you are now privy to confidential information. Your current employer may also setup grounds for dismissal (especially if they are a competitor).

I would never risk my neck for a previous employer.

 
Tue, May 6, 2008 13:25 EDT
Anonymous user
Posted by: Anonymous
Rating: 50

you my friend have said the one thing the author of the article didn't even touch (and this magazine is for CIO's).

you are 100% correct. doing anything for a company without a contract could result in your getting sued and why even risk it.

do you actually think that your old employer would put their neck on the line for you? of course not?

all transactions you perform for that employer ended when you walk out the door. anything further should be done on a contract basis and a clear scope of work for you to get compensated for.

Post new comment

* Subject:
* Username:
* E-mail:
The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.
Homepage:
* Body:
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <img> <blockquote> <strike> <p> <br>
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
More information about formatting options

* Denotes required field.

About this Blog

Helping developers use technology to solve business problems every day.

Hot Conversations

Ex-Microsofties Look Back in Anger

Posted by Shane ONeill in News | 4 comments

The Price of IT Outsourcing

Posted by Beth Bacheldor in Best Practices | 2 comments

Start a Conversation
Click to post

Got something to say? We want to hear it! Click the Post button to get started. GO»

EXPERT ADVICE
See our roster of experts.

Advice & Opinion from more than 115 of IT's most insightful thinkers.

  PARTNERS       WEBCASTS    
 

Windows 7 Webcast Series

There's a lot of buzz about Windows 7 out there. Each month in our webcast series, listen to analysts and customers discuss how Windows 7 and the Windows Optimized Desktop is impacting large companies around the world. Learn how they evaluated Windows 7, including the cost of deployment, deployment strategies, and tangible benefits.

Sponsored by Microsoft  Listen to on-demand Recordings »

 

A Framework for Better Application Delivery

The complexity of application delivery is driven in part by the evolving applications environment. Instead of approaching application delivery from a siloed fashion, this handbook looks at end-to-end guidance and discusses the impact of ignoring the WAN, Web apps that are chatty, data center consolidation, SaaS, Web 2.0 and virtualization.

Sponsored by Riverbed  Read this White Paper »

 

Microsoft® Exchange 2010 includes archiving - but is it enough?

Microsoft® Exchange 2010 includes basic email archiving. But many organizations will find that it does not meet their requirements. This paper describes why organizations need to archive, what capabilities Exchange 2010 includes and why 3rd party archiving solutions will be necessary for most organizations.

Sponsored by Google, Inc.   Read this White Paper »

Resource Alerts

Get instant email notifications by topic when white papers, webcasts, and case studies are added to our library.

Resource Alerts

Get instant email notification when white papers, webcasts, and case studies are added to our library. Don't just be up-to-date—be up to the minute with our new Resource Alerts.

Enterprise Capture: Your Onramp to Business Process Automation

Today more than ever companies are seeking to reduce costs and...  View Now »

 

The True Cost of Legacy Systems

How well are you maximizing existing software assets? This webcast reveals the results of a commissioned study on top migration and modernization priorities for IT leaders.   View Now »

 

How To Maximize Your Virtualization Strategy and Deployment

Join award-winning technology journalist Stan Gibson in this webcast as he discusses how to enhance your virtualization strategy with the ROI, planning, implementation and platform advice. Exploit the business benefits of virtualization and successfully expand your current deployment.   View Now »

Resource Alerts

Get instant email notification when white papers, webcasts, and case studies are added to our library. Don't just be up-to-date—be up to the minute with our new Resource Alerts.

 
NEWSLETTER

Sign-up for the Blogs & Discussion Newsletter




*Required fields

By clicking the sign-up button, you agree to the Privacy Policy.

View all newsletters »

 
FEATURED SPONSORS
 
 
 
SPONSORED LINKS
 

Manage limitless content todayread EMCs 15-minute guide to ECM.

HP Exstream. Get a Free Document Assessment for Financial Services.

Take the Netezza TwinFin TestDrive!

Webinar: Jump-start your in-house e-discovery with Ringtail QuickCull from FTI Technology

Let Progress Software help your business make progress.

Best Practices to Reduce IT Operational Costs

Real-world testing ranks Trend Micro #1 against malware. See results.

Forrester: The real-world financial impact of Windows 7

Turn your desk phone and mobile phone into one with Sprint Mobile Integration.

Maximizing efficiencies with unified communications.

Stay informed with custom newsletters from Tech Dispenser

Selecting the Right Reporting Technology

An IT Leadership Action Plan for the Economic Recovery

Consolidate data centers and lower IT service costs. Learn How.

WAN optimization techniques significantly improve application performance. Read More.

The Revolution and Evolution of Private Cloud Computing

ROI of Application Delivery Controllers

Cut Costs & Green Your IT Operations with PC Power Management

Enterprise Capture: Your Onramp to Business Process Automation

Adobe® LiveCycle®solutions for intuitive user experience

Unlocking the Mainframe: Modernizing Legacy System to SOA

State of the Data Integration Market

Enhance Customer Loyalty through Higher Responsiveness

Achieving Business Agility with Application Grid

Seven Ways ITIL Can Help You in an Economic Downturn

Does your IDS really work? Find out with a free Endace Audit

Verint Systems. Discover the Power of Intelligence in Action"

CA ARCserve r12.5 is More Than Backup! Download Trial Version Today

Enterprise search helps employees get more done. Get the facts from Google.

See why ShoreTel is named best overall VoIP provider by Nemertes Research

Trend Micro ranked #1 against real-world malware. Read more.

AT&T Application Management & Hosting. Let us help you STRETCH

Microsofts new client operating system helped Pella reduce power consumption.

Efficiency goes up. Costs come down.

Dark Fiber from Sunesys Save on Unlimited Bandwidth with Fixed Costs.

Trend Micro ranked #1 against real-world malware. Read more.

Webcast: Solve Your Data Visualization Needs with Open Source BI

Webcast: Delivering the Enterprise-Ready Cloud

Ensure cost effective application delivery. Learn More.

Cloud Computing: The Impact CIOs See

What's Next for Enterprise Resource Planning?

Gartner Magic Quadrant, Application Delivery Controllers 2009

Global Research: CIOs Weigh In On Virtualization

Adobe® LiveCycle® solutions for business process automation

What's New in SOA Suite 11g?

Unleash the Power of Java with Oracle JRockit Real Time

SOA Best Practices and Design Patterns

Application Grid: Ideal Platform for IT Consolidation

Taking the Service Desk to the Next Level